"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." -- no long form birth certificate -- Barack Obama, April 2, 2008

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- 1st President George Washington

Talking Points # 68


TP#68 Why we should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan - yesterday

Why we should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan - yesterday - something for people that believe in God and the Constitution should think about.

Now, in a previous article, literally years ago, I showed why we were actually in Iraq, it is Biblical.

Why we are in Iraq (click here)

Unfortunately, for the USA, we no longer have leaders that actually believe in the Bible AND comprehend the Bible's teachings.

Think about this. The USA in World War II won the war, basically for the world, in four years. We are now stuck in Afghanistan for ten years and it has turned into another Vietnam, albeit, on a lesser scale of blood shed, but, at a much greater drain on our economy. In a country smaller then many of our states, why?

The current Arab bad guys, take your pick of which ever group, compared to the WWII Japanese are nothing. Almost every Japanese man serving in their armed forces was entirely willing and capable of dying on the job, even if retreat was offered, never mind surrender. They would basically stand their ground or when out of ammo simple use a bayonet charge. Or commit suicide. Being captured alive was not an option, it was a disgrace.

I have watched films of the Japanese Army soldiers throwing babies up in the air and laughing as they ended up coming down SPLAT on an extended rifle bayonet. The Japanese totally brutalized the Chinese and Koreans. They killed and raped 200,000+ people in one Chinese city alone. No one, even the German SS / Nazi had anything on the Japanese.

Yet, our Marines still defeated them. So, why can't our Marines today, defeat an enemy in Afghanistan not armed that much better then the Japanese in WW II? Unlike the Japanese they have no air force, no navy, no suicide air planes, no suicide rockets, yet, we are still mired down in a country for ten years fighting a war that has produced few fruits.

As an example, when we supported the Mujahideen


Al-Qaeda (wiki link)

"al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were "a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies", and that "Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians"

(note to self: making friends and supplying arms to godless men like Bin Laden and Saddam did not work out too well)


against the Soviets, we KNEW they were killing Soviet soldiers with bolt action WWII rifles capable of killing people out to greater distances then the Soviets AK-47s could return accurate return fire.

So, what do we do with our soldiers sent to fight the exact same people? Send them into battle with the 5.56 which is great for house to house. But, unfortunately the only way they can return effective fire against WWII bolt action rifles at 600-1000 yards out is call in air support or hope you have someone in the platoon with the heavier .308 or .50 weapons. The only reason they do not suffer the fate of the Soviets many times is much better body armor, especially the helmets. Though now supposedly Al-Qaida is using armor piercing rounds in all their rifles, so expect it to get worse.

Then we tie our soldiers' hands with insane rules of engagement for political reasons. Such as engaging the enemy, when they run out of ammo or the battle gets too hot they drop their weapons and walk out the building and literally thumb their noses at our soldiers because they can't be fired upon. Even our FBI can fire through walls at an unseen combatant, but, our soldiers in Afghanistan can not. We have to directly see them holding the weapon as they fire upon our soldiers.

Even our CIA has to suffer with the likes of Nancy Pelosi that accuses the CIA of lying to her, to provide political cover for her sorry behind. Or the CIA has to worry about being brought up on charges when they were told to simply get the job done.

For some reason, I have noticed all these people that make these insane rules and criticize the CIA have never served in the military at all. Yet, we have those wonderfully brave people like Joe LIBERAL-MAN that think it is a good idea to start a war with Iran and bomb them, when they have never directly attacked us:

What would George Washington do about Iran? (click here)

It seems kind of unseemly these people that write these rules of engagement or call for war, have never shed blood or have had their own sons and daughters killed in war.

It is kind of like ... socialists. It is always fine when it is other people's money, but, never touch their own money or children.

This is Vietnam II

It is war, you either unleash the troops to wage unrelenting, vicious, total war, take it to the enemy, and get it over as quickly as possible with the idea of minimizing OUR troop causalities and support them all, including the CIA, 100%, or get out. Instead of being, as I heard an ex-military guy on Fox News, "IED magnets".

For some reason our leaders have ignored HISTORY that has shown us anyone that has invaded that country has left with their tails between their legs. Except now, we have Iran doing to us, what we did to the Soviets. I have tried to trace the origins of the Afghans and where Lot traveled in the Bible, which was that direction. I bet if we did DNA tests (like they have to most of the Arab world) we would find they are from the "strong arm of Lot" and are from Abraham's father's line.

Yes, maybe Satan does not want us there, but, has anyone actually considered God doesn't want anyone there, other then them, and that is why everyone leaves defeated? Because God has given that country to them to use as they see fit, to choose God as they see fit? Why is this such as tough question to ask?

When I first heard of the 1-3 trillion dollars worth of minerals found in Afghanistan, I thought maybe that is why everyone has been kicked out over the years, because that resource is meant for those people and we were meant to help them recover it.

Afghanistan gears up for vast iron ore deposits (click here)

Then I thought of "blood diamonds".

Blood Diamonds (click here)

Now that Al-Qaeda and Afghan's own Taliban see that $trillion$ carrot dangled in front of them, do you honestly think they are going to leave and go in peace? No, all we have done is given them even more reason to stay for graft and corruption to fund their operations.

Or worse, we are now setting up the USA to be in the country another ten years, to "protect" the country while they develop their resources and infrastructure.

Our founding fathers warned us about avoiding European wars and imperialism that do nothing other then drain the nations coffers, yet we go right ahead with it anyways.

Nixon killed the gold standard, so he could borrow more money to dump into Vietnam and raise our debt and borrowing. In Vietnam we were coupled with a corrupt government that their citizens were not willing to defend or for which to die.

Now we are mired down doing nation building again, borrowing more money from China and Japan, in Afghanistan. A tribal country where no one has succeeded in taming them, with a corrupt government that their citizens are not willing to defend or for which to die.

How can we keep repeating the same mistakes? Because when we get involved with these countries and their civil wars we forget the Bible.


Proverbs 26 (King James Version)

17He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him,

is like one that taketh a dog by the ears

Proverbs 26 (New International Version)

17 Like one who seizes a dog by the ears

is a passer-by who meddles in a quarrel not his own.


Worse, we might soon turn Afghanistan into a country of "blood minerals" and give Al-Qaeda and the Taliban a chance to earn even more graft and corruption, if we ever leave.


I did a small article four months ago,

What our soldiers face in Iraq (click here)

Has anything changed?

Iraqi Interpreter Murdered by Family for Refusing to Quit Job (click here)

Why are our leaders so blind?

The Bible directly tells us not to get involved with the Arabs.

Yet ... still we do.

We invite them into our country as citizens, we let them cross uncontested over the Mexican border (last raid by ICE in Georgia results in the capture of people from 60 nations!).

Then completely under Obama's watch (unfortunately left wing nuts - Bush can't be blamed for this too), we give Arabs military security passes, 17 go AWOL over an 18 month period and disappear into the USA. Yet, no one can ask the question "What kind of security network exists within our own borders for this to happen". I mean, they do not speak English well, do not have a job, so where do they eat and sleep and where do they get the money?

Afghan Deserters AWOL From Texas Base (click here)

All of this could have been avoided by reading the New Testament. I usually like using the King James, this is easier to read:


Galatians 4 - Biblegateway.com

Galatians 4 (New International Version)

Hagar and Sarah

21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

24These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

27For it is written:

"Be glad, O barren woman,

who bears no children;

break forth and cry aloud,

you who have no labor pains;

because more are the children of the desolate woman

than of her who has a husband."[b]

28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son." 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.


The Arabs hate and persecute us still today. I mean, isn't it obvious with 9/11 ? Yet, we still buy their oil and by Obama shutting down drilling in the gulf, we will buy even more Arab oil to benefit SABIC still.

We were founded by white Protestants, who owe their religious heritage to Martin Luther and the book of Galatians was one of his favorite books. YET we ignore the clear warning in his favorite book, about the Arabs.

Yes, we basically created the nation of Israel and as I have showed, even the number of it's creation 1948 can be tied back to Abraham and the 1st founding of Israel, 1948 years after him. We are in the era of the second fig tree that bears bad fruit.

But, that does not mean we have to go and grab a mad dog Arab by the ears and get involved with their civil wars in countries we do not belong. We are trying to mix oil with water (not turning out too WELL for Obama with that either), they will always have a conflict with us.

The Arabs are waiting for the 1st return of their messiah, which will end up being our anti-Christ. They will end up in slavery to him and paying him obedience.

We are not even getting free oil or minerals from these countries. All we are doing is peeing away our grand children's future and setting this nation up for un-payable debt so it falls into the one world system of government and the forgiveness of debt by Satan.

These two wars cost roughly 400+ billion dollars a year, funded by selling our future to China, Japan, Germany, and Russia. The only winners are the military complex. Of course if our esteemed leaders had bothered to read about the Condor Legion (Ballatine Books) as I recommended earlier, with the Soviets on one side of the Spanish Civil War and Nazi Germany on the other, they would know being involved with civil wars tend to drive only the military complex with the replacement of used weapons tested in battle. To the detriment of the real losers, the local civilian population. FWIW: It is where the bombing of civilian market places full of people was introduced.

Now we have people that think using spy drones deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan on USA soil is a good thing. Like this wasn't too hard to predict by history.

There is an old Eddie Murphy album (20+ years old - before he got so potty mouthed) where he describes the difference between a black man and a white man. The white man moves into a haunted house, hears the "GET OUT" and decides to stay and declares it beautiful. The black man moves into the same haunted house, hears "GET OUT", and immediately turns to his wife and says "honey, it's time to move".

Well, honey, it is time to move.

It is time to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq yesterday, brings our troops home from Korea, and to kick the corrupt and evil Untied Nations off our shores and have them take Interpol (which Obama freed from all our laws with executive order) with them.

We have violated Deut 28:12 by borrowing from other nations and we are cursed by killing babies and ignoring when the spirit is placed in the body (Luke 1:36-55), which has been genocide for the black race and resulted in the shedding of innocent blood of 40+ million souls, within our borders.

It is time to get our soldiers home, to protect their own families, us, and the borders, before something much worse happens. 2012 is the 40th year or Roe vs. Wade, you can't see and feel the evil coming upon us?

Familycides (whole family killed by a family member with the last one committing suicide) use to happen 5-6 times a year, since Obama has been in office, they happen weekly or more. I gave up tracking them.

If you think our corrupt anti-Christian leaders, including Obama, are worthy of having our soldiers lives in their hands and will make the proper decisions based on morals instead of politics and money in a crisis, you are the one that is insane, not me!

I want all our soldiers home by 2012 from everywhere. Not because of some supposed prophet that had a bad dream like Nostradamus, or Mayan calendars, or bad movies. I want them home for these basic reasons.

1) Our country was not founded to be an imperial nation, our founding fathers directly warned against it.

2) We can't afford it in terms of money and blood.

3) I know by the Bible there will be a price to pay for abortion.

4) I know by the Bible there will be a price to pay for borrowing from other nations.

I want USA troops safe(r) on USA soil and for them to protect their families and us. It is a prudent moral and financial move based on the Bible, Constitution, and teachings of the founding fathers.

John Brown



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A white slave owner could feed his black man well, send his slave out hunting with a rifle, and to the local store while he kept his family hostage, and kept him ignorant about the word of God and how to read.

Then when the slave still tried to escape, the slave owner beat him and said "Look at all I have given you, you ungrateful heathen".

To be a free citizen

Frederick Douglass had white Christian brothers that bought his freedom for

a one time fee of $710.96.

Under SOCIALIST Obama Care, us white and black slaves to the government have to buy our freedom every month, under the IRS's tyrannical thumb or be jailed.

Well, I am going to do the same thing Frederick Douglass did to free his black brothers in the bondage of slavery.

Teach people the Bible

and how to read it.

Another John Brown trying

to free slaves of government

Still a Christian nation that loves God and Jesus!